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of situation. >> right. let me go to james cavanaugh, he was with atf. he's now with us as an nbc analyst. mr. cavanaugh, it's great having you back. i hate having you back, once again, because something bad happened. here we go again. again, the question, we in the media always want something when we can get it. that's the job we have. the job on the inside is the jjo job -- they've been making this choice since tuesday. >> this is what commanders wrestle with all the time in these cases. i've done it many times. from eric rudolph to the sniper, to church fires, to major bombing incidents. you always wrestle with these kids. they' . they've got the bomb scenes 90% done. they know what the components are and are probably going to release this afternoon photographs of people that aey' extremely interested in. they're doing that because they don't have a way to otherwise identify those people. so if they do, before the sun sets on boston harbor, they will have the names of the people in those photographs. now, if that is the bombers, we'll see. but they will have those names fast because relati
are joined tonight by james cavanaugh, former special agent of atf. he's with us from nashville. and mr. cavanaugh, i'm curious about -- now looking at this in our rearview mirror, what worried you most about the lessons we've just learned about these two guys, what they were able to do, and what has cheered you most about the way it was resolved? >> well, brian, i think the thing that worried me most after it broke, and tuesday, was that this is the beginning of a bombing campaign. and i think it really was. and that's evidenced by the pressure cooker that was tossed at the watertown police and the eight smaller improvised hand grenades that these guys had already made. these things were in the cache before the marathon bombs were planted. you know, these bombers, they come right out of the hallways of hell. they plant them in the crowd, vicious devices, and if they had got away they would do it again. so the calculation for the commanders on tuesday, i've been there before on the sniper case. i had been there on the eric rudolph case. i'd been there on a series of bombings on abortion
chief and as mr. secretary, i wanted to bring in james cavanaugh, an nbc news and msnbc analyst and a retired atf special agent in charge. mr. cavanaugh, tom ridge and i were talking earlier about the fact that one of the suspects, tamerlan, the older brother, when he was killed, had an ied on him. had some sort of a device strapped around him and that has to be a concern as well. with his younger brother, who is still at large. >> it's a federal event, andrea, in american law enforcement history, that last night, united states police killed a suicide bomber on american soil. and that point of fact, is sort of lost in the greater emergency. but last night, united states police killed a suicide bomber right here and there's another potential and probable suicide bomber still unaccounted for in watertown. so it's really, remain as critical situation. and we know this is a hard fact. the guy had the ied strapped on him as the governor said. we know as a hard fact that suicide is a pillar, an adeal of al qaeda. we know it for a fact. it's a single-most important thing to be a member
if it takes a few years longer. >> mr. cavanaugh it seems to me because of modern technology and the fact everyone on earth seems to have a cell phone with them, camera with them, recording device, we're getting a jump perhaps. when you see a picture of a bag sitting in front of a storm fence and then you see it taken directly after the explosion and you see the smoke rising diagonally, anybody watching that can see how it's moving off to the upper left, you've got a pretty interesting lead to take a look at. how does that kind of information sort of pops on to the screen from an amateur do to the investigation? >> chris, it's a tremendous value to the investigator. there were many bombings over 3 1/2 decades. we had no picture at all. so you had this bombing, bombings, that was done in the crowded city center for the purpose of theater, terrorism theater. you had worldwide media. you had everybody with their electronic devices in the digital age. there's going to be pictures of the bomber. so when you're in command of a case like this, sad as the case is, it sure can be helpful to you to
by james cavanaugh, former special agent of atf. he's with us from nashville. mr. cavanaugh, i'm curious about -- now looking at this in the rear-view mirror, what worried you most about the lessons we have just learned about these two guys and what they were able to do and what has cheered you most about the way it was resolved? >> well, i think the thing that worried me most is after it broke and tuesday was this is the beginning of a bombing campaign. i think it really was. that's evidented by the pressure cooker that was tossed at the watertown police and the eight smaller improvised hand grenades that these guys had already made. these things were in the cache before the marathon bombs were planted. these bombers, they come right out of the hallways of hell. they plant them in the crowd, vicious devices and if they had got away, they would do it again. so the calculation for the commanders on tuesday, i have been there before on the sniper case. i had been there in the eric rudolph case, on a series of bombings on abortion clinics and other killers and i always knew that you have to
. he's with us from nashville. mr. cavanaugh, i'm curious about -- now looking at this in the rear-view mirror, what worried you most about the lessons we have just learned about these two guys and what they were able to do and what has cheered you most about the way it was resolved? >> well, i think the thing that worried me most is after it broke and tuesday was this is the beginning of a bombing campaign. i think it really was. and that's evidenced by the pressure cooker that was tossed at the watertown police, and the eight smaller improvised hand grenades that these guys had already made. these things were in the cache before the marathon bombs were planted. these bombers, they come right out of the hallways of hell. they plant them in the crowd, vicious devices and if they had got away, they would do it again. so the calculation for the commanders on tuesday, i have been there before on the sniper case. i had been there in the eric rudolph case, i've been there on a series of bombings on abortion clinics and other killers, and i always knew that you got to watch. they're comi
the -- in this case the killers from the crowd and we'll know who did that. >> let me go over to mr. cavanaugh. james, it seems to me a picture dh can be blown up and stud did, what more would you want actually than someone dropping the black bag and walking away from the bomb site? >> chris, i've worked many cases over the years with no pictures at all. so it is extremely valuable. it's going to be the thing that breaks the case wide open. it's going to be the achilles hill of the bomber who clint will tell you, and good to see you, clint. we've worked together many years ago. it's going to be his achilles heel. he went to the marathon for the stage of terrorism. he wanted the attention. and what's going to undo him is the attention. the cameras he wanted are going to be his undoing. i hope the fbi and the atf, the boston police, state police, u.s. attorney, the task force, i hope that they'll release those pictures. i think they'll get the guy identified pretty quickly. i do think they probably tried to, and i've done the same thing in many cases. we did it with the d.c. sniper. clint's done it bef
special agent in charge and also a former hostage negotiator. mr. cavanaugh, good to see you. first of all, let's start with the hostage negotiator who was on the scene last night. based on your experience as a negotiator, what do we think he said to the suspect to get him out of that boat? >> they threw a flash bang at the boat. the way it transpired apparently was the massachusetts state police, s.w.a.t. on one side and atf special response team on the other, they brought in the boston police and fbi hrt, the flash bang diversionary device was deployed and a negotiator talked him out of the boat. now, what would the negotiator likely say? >> yeah. >> you would say dzhokhar, dzhokhar, are you hurt? and you would, you know, try to get a reply. yes, no, you know. are you hurt? yes. do you want to come out? yes. >> okay. that could be the complete negotiation right there. so in that small phrase, it's a concern for the person's well-being, which is genuine, but it's also some way to diffuse the situation. this guy was pretty weak, craig. he had been bleeding all night. he's not a big guy and
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